heartofaquamarine:

seelcudoom:

hypeswap:

like none of the kids or trolls ever actually…. cared…. much? about lord english? yeah hes destroying paradox space but it barely affects the main characters and “the timeline said so” or “someone told me to” is not a good enough reason to do anything in 95% of homestuck. wheres the motivation

also like,the beta trolls, alpha trolls and beta kids all   took part in the final battle, but not the alpha kids, despite them being the only group to have any direct animosity towards LE since they knew caliborn and also were friends with calliope who he murdered, the beta trolls have some indirect anomisty towards him do to Scratch fuckin over several of them but still

honestly Jack should have usurped  LE, he is the soverign slayer after all and LE has set himself up as a sort of god, aka a king of kings, his staff even mirrors the kings staffs

basiclly combine bec noir and union jack as the true final boss

Okay so…I agree with the fact that Lord English is not that relevent to the characters, but I think the actual final boss of Homestuck is related to him, and is his direct superior.

From the beginning of the comic, there’s been one force pushing the kids in the direction of the plot. Much of the first couple of acts are motivated bythe kids following the lead of this force, that appears to be sentient on at least some level, and it loops back into importance at the end.

I’m talking about Sburb. You know, the thing that destroys multiple universes? Sounds like a good big bad candidate to me.

Lord English ultimately doesn’t matter because Lord English’s power, and that of the becs, is inherently subordinate to Sburb’s. Sburb is the reason that Lord English can do what he does. That’s why the ending for most of the characters who survive has nothing to do with English; their goal isn’t to conquer Sburb, or destroy Lord English, but to escape from Sburb entirely; to escape from the narrative saying “go here, do this”.  That’s why Vishka is the one to take down English; like English, Vishka is determined to be the main character, whether hero or villian, and she needs a narrative framework to be that in. That’s kind of a major point of discussion for a lot of the story and the character arcs, I feel; the troll’s with their biologically determined places in the world, the players following the objectives of Sburb, ect.